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Friday, October 15, 2004

There's Something About Mary

I'm sick of this Mary Cheney flap and want it to go away. I don't think it's good for anyone, especially the intensely private Mary. But I do think we ought to ask a prominent gay Republican what he thinks. Heck, let's make it two.

6 comments:

Raised By Republicans said...

Here's what irritates me about the Republicans' "outrage" about bringing up Cheney's Lesbian daughter: They are arguing that its rude to bring up Cheney's personal family life like that. That its inappropriate to make Cheney's family a subject of political discourse....but they think that whether Gay/Lesbian couples should be allowed to be married is a fit subject for LEGISLATION!

Is there any part of Bush's campaign that doesn't rely on a combination of hate mongering, supressing debate and avoiding responsibility?

Prof. Werner von Brawn said...

NPR briefly touched on this this morning and I think they have a point. The issue here is where and how Kerry raised the issue, not that he did. First off, Mary Cheney is not "intensely private" on this issue, as far as I can tell. She is openly a lesbian and has been a liason with the gay community. This was no surprise announcement, we all knew and she had told us.

Secondly, the question had nothing to do with Mary Cheney. It was clearly a stretch for Kerry to work her in. During the VP debate, it seemed appropriate, which is why Cheney didn't seem to have a problem with it. Now, many people are apparently saying that this was simply gratuitous...Kerry overplayed his hand.

Third, I see a difference between this and politicians attempts at legilation. While I commented the other day that I thought it was pathetic that they both pandered to Mary and then told her she wasn't fit to be polite society, as it were, that is different from not mentioning anybody specifically and then passing legislation. If Kerry hadn't brought it up, and both he and Bush had simply said they don't favor same sex marriage, it would seem a whole lot less hypocritical than it did. Kerry needs to learn that hamfisted bludgeoning, as opposed to pressing an argument, isn't always good.

Here is one case where "attacking Bush" harmed Kerry...because he did it in the wrong way. Besides, Kerry looks just as bad as Bush on this one, as he talked about how great she was, and then said the same thing Bush did. If he said he wouldn't make it a consittutional amendment, then what would he do? If he doesn't favor it, would he do anything about it? Or was this just grand standing on his part? Again, neither side deserves a feather in their cap...

Prof. Werner von Brawn said...

Quick follow-up: a Washington Post poll after the debate asked whether Kerry's statement on Mary was appropriate or not. 64 percent said inappropriate, while 33 percent said appropriate, with a 6 point margin of error. As Slate put it: "the best statistical case for Kerry is that he offended only 58 percent of the electorate."

But with all dirty politics, people may say they're offended and then take it to heart...

Bell Curve said...

You're right, it did seem out of place when Kerry mentioned her. And I wasn't trying to say she was private about her sexuality (can you name a more famous lesbian who's not in the entertainment industry?) but that in general, she's a private person.

What I do have a problem with is the Cheney family's selective anger. Alan Keyes calls Mary a "selfish hedonist" and the Cheneys don't say anything, but Kerry suggests that Mary doesn't think homosexuality is a choice and they're up in arms. Had Kerry been a Republican they would have had no problem with it.

Dr. Strangelove said...

It was a calculated move on Kerry and Edwards' part to announce twice on national televison that Dick Cheney's daughter is a lesbian. I suspect they got exactly the brouhaha they wanted. Now everybody knows that Dick Cheney's daughter is a lesbian, and people are saying "Dick Cheney" and "lesbian" in the same breath a lot.

Remember that there truly are a bunch of [insert nasty labels here] people who get nauseated and freaked out about anything having to do with homosexuals. What you want is for these people, when they are standing in the election booth and staring at the words "Dick Cheney," to see the word "lesbian" floating in front of them. They really might just feel disgusted and decide not to vote for him--maybe not to vote for anyone.

Now that's real "puke politics" for ya.

Dr. Strangelove said...

I asked my lesbian friends what they thought of this whole thing. They felt that if Mary Cheney were a child, or if she were trying very hard to stay away from politics, then it would not have been right to bring her up. But in this case, Mary Cheney is an adult who is heavily involved in her father's re-election campaign--and they brought the issue up first. It is telling that they are having Lynne Cheney speak protectively of her daughter, as though she were a child who could not speak for herself.