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I'd welcome any serious attempt by policy makers to restore some sense of reason to our gun laws. <br /><br />My view though is that we already know the kinds of policies that work - it's just that many jurisdictions chose not to enact those policies.Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-27024131382183632622011-01-11T12:31:29.502-08:002011-01-11T12:31:29.502-08:00Good to know that some states cast a wider net. M...Good to know that some states cast a wider net. Maybe in analogy to the national "no fly" list, we need a "no gun" list...Dr. Strangelovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407042105777411150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-77704158150869691822011-01-11T10:00:33.304-08:002011-01-11T10:00:33.304-08:00Just to clarify, the man in question had no crimin...Just to clarify, the man in question had no criminal history (indeed, he would normally be considered a pillar of the community). The sheriff stated in the press release after the man's body was found that the hand gun purchase had been prevented because of the sheriff's policy of checking with current or most recent employers/schools.Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-49182079564067576522011-01-11T09:57:23.553-08:002011-01-11T09:57:23.553-08:00Actually, in some states back ground checks do pic...Actually, in some states back ground checks do pick up on the kinds of reports Loughner had on his record - especially from his community college. I know that there was a recent case of a suicide near where I live where the man was fired from his job for sexual/ethical misconduct. When he tried to buy a hand gun he was refused following a background check by the local sheriff. He was able to buy a bolt action hunting rifle which does not require a background check in this state and he killed himself with that.Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-77492941537121864082011-01-11T09:15:28.092-08:002011-01-11T09:15:28.092-08:00Loughner had no criminal record. (Turns out he ha...Loughner had no criminal record. (Turns out he had once been arrested for drug use, but the charge had been expunged because he completed the appropriate rehab-type program.) Unfortunately, background checks just don't catch people like that. So I think it's worth thinking about other simple measures.<br /><br />As for the ping idea... You're right of course that the staunchest gun advocates will object. But even in Arizona, lawmakers agree that it is OK to ban guns at certain events, and that a shopkeeper (for example) may prohibit guns on his private property. A detection system simply allow the shopkeeper and police to enforce those rules. So I think you can make a decent argument for it. Or something like it... Some way other than a cumbersome metal detector in which a legally manufactured and purchased gun could be detected at a distance.Dr. Strangelovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407042105777411150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-9676868535393999682011-01-11T05:40:29.777-08:002011-01-11T05:40:29.777-08:00I would have thought that the kinds of background ...I would have thought that the kinds of background checks and waiting periods required in many states (but not in Arizona apparently) would suffice to keep the Loughners of the world from getting guns. <br /><br />I kind of like the "ping" idea but I doubt voters who already approve of concealed weapons for nearly everyone would agree to having their weapons "pinged" upon entering some public space. It would be kind of scary though to be standing in line at the grocery store listening to the gun detector pinging away every few minutes.Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-69289426965314977432011-01-11T01:19:25.369-08:002011-01-11T01:19:25.369-08:00On a practical note... Suppose the law required an...On a practical note... Suppose the law required another adult to co-sign for one's gun purchase. I know folks would whine about it, but in all honesty it really wouldn't be that much of a burden for ordinary, law-abiding citizens. It should be pretty easy to find a friend or relative to accompany you to the store. You could go with a fellow gun club member and co-sign for each other if you like. <br /><br />But with such a law, it would be considerably more difficult for a troubled loner to just go out and buy one at a local gun store. No rule is perfect of course, but I think something like this targets the right group of people and is worth considering.<br /><br />Another idea, more technological, would be to embed RFID chips in guns. This way, without cordoning off an area and using metal detectors, you could just set up a radio post that would return a ping if a gun came within (say) 100 feet. Again, there are concerns with that--and obviously the millions of guns already out there would not be covered--but it would allow someone to have a measure of confidence that a gun ban was being observed. The simple act of concealing the weapon in one's handbag or trousers would no longer be effective for new weapons purchased at the local sportsmart. This also would have made Mr. Loughner's rampage more difficult, because an alarm would have gone off when he approached with his gun.<br /><br />Anyway, I think some creativity in gun purchase requirements, and some additional technology for revealing the presence of guns, might be well worth considering in order to prevent this particular type of senseless crime. I have a feeling that regulations like this would make more effective policy than simple prohibition.Dr. Strangelovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407042105777411150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-17999619889637179352011-01-10T13:29:22.544-08:002011-01-10T13:29:22.544-08:00Have you all heard Sarah Plain's line? Written...Have you all heard Sarah Plain's line? Written in an e-mail to Glenn Beck:"I hate violence,I hate war. Our children will not have peace if politicos just capitalize on this to succeed in portraying anyone as inciting terror and violence."<br /><br />There is your line. Get ready to hear that over and over again. How about "Gee, I made a mistake in putting this target thing on my website. I will take it down now and I apologize?" She and her ilk have no shame.<br /><br />You know, RBR's tale reminds me yet again how little us Americans know how to have a discussion. We pay lip service to the idea, but we don't exercise it. When I am in Europe and we have political discussions, there is nothing personal and everyone enjoys the exchange of ideas. But in this country, we think we have to "convince" the other that we are right and they are wrong. We are smart, they are dumb. It becomes an ego trip where we elevate the rhetoric beyond reason. <br /><br />We continue to foster intellectual laziness. When I encounter the "American Idol" set I am always surprised and reminded of what a little subculture I am a part of. With so little education, we are putting our society at risk. And we when we think that "Free Speech" means "Anything goes", we foster a public that thinks everything is just a joke, just entertainment. <br /><br />The conservative media will not take any responsibility for what has happened. They will say that "he was just some crazy guy" without thinking about their role in inciting his disorder. Actually, they know their role, but deny it.<br /><br />This, BTW: is why people like me have to work at remembering that American is not in decline (reference to RBR's previous thread). It isn't outside forces that will get to us, it's the shit inside.USWestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-64642149697771688452011-01-10T11:31:39.108-08:002011-01-10T11:31:39.108-08:00BTW (cont.): When I suggested his views had more i...BTW (cont.): When I suggested his views had more in common with the far right than with any other type of ideology, he objected saying that considered himself a "libertarian" and to prove it he said he supported Obama's health car plan. <br /><br />I suspect that this kind of ideological incoherence is fairly common among people who do not think much about their political views except when they directly involve their immediate well being or desires (i.e. for more guns and free health care).Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-19458651735348568412011-01-10T11:29:10.183-08:002011-01-10T11:29:10.183-08:00You both are correct, I'm afraid. I once had ...You both are correct, I'm afraid. I once had an argument with a pro-gun self described "libertarian." He was one of those guys who caries a copy of the constitution in his pocket but who had never heard of the Federalist Papers. We had a computer handy so I brought up a searchable version of the Federalist Papers. We quickly found references to exactly the motive for the 2nd Amendment that LTG says was the motive for it: namely the need to defend the community against threats. It's worth noting also that gun ownership then was far less common than it is now. Guns were quite expensive things to own - so really it was about the top half of the income distribution (or people who owned little else besides their gun) owning guns to protect their part of the community. This person I was arguing with dismissed not only the first half of the 2nd Amendment (the part about militias) as irrelevant but also dismissed the Federalist Papers as "rejected drafts of the constitution" - he would not allow me to complete the sentence in which I was trying to explain to him the actual nature of the Federalist Papers. <br /><br />BTW, this person is also fairly convinced that society as a whole is on the verge of collapse and only people like him who own guns will survive. A frightening world view to put it mildly.Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-22296560790042588922011-01-10T10:08:04.727-08:002011-01-10T10:08:04.727-08:00There is a strong right wing ideology that falsely...There is a strong right wing ideology that falsely says that the Second Amendment enshrines a right of violent resistance to tyrannical government. It was never intended to do anything of the kind, of course. It was meant to preserve the right of communities to police themselves and defend themselves from Injuns without a standing army. (there were no police in those days - only militias or armies). That ideology is what is responsible for this murder.The Law Talking Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17886791396468512490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-54369936389149694982011-01-10T10:05:47.415-08:002011-01-10T10:05:47.415-08:00The sad thing is that the far right, and their ass...The sad thing is that the far right, and their associated media outlets with shock jocks and extremists, have made so much money on the genera that I doubt they stop. They will claim that this is just liberals whining.USwestnoreply@blogger.com