tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post4997973077190807434..comments2024-01-03T05:23:36.046-08:00Comments on The Citizens: A Bitter EveningUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-32667772783138997742008-04-25T09:54:00.001-07:002008-04-25T09:54:00.001-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Law Talking Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17886791396468512490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-20123468965666891492008-04-25T09:54:00.000-07:002008-04-25T09:54:00.000-07:00Future generations will not realize that Watergate...Future generations will not realize that Watergate was not about water.The Law Talking Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17886791396468512490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-7530836202603663722008-04-24T14:51:00.000-07:002008-04-24T14:51:00.000-07:00Gate-gate... like the can-can, only more scandalou...Gate-gate... like the can-can, only more scandalous.Dr. Strangelovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407042105777411150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-64755419884155312172008-04-24T14:35:00.000-07:002008-04-24T14:35:00.000-07:00What we need now is a gate-gate to underscore the ...What we need now is a gate-gate to underscore the crazy overuse of the term.Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-3104357532608073602008-04-24T08:52:00.000-07:002008-04-24T08:52:00.000-07:00The great thing about cliches, as Orwell pointed o...The great thing about cliches, as Orwell pointed out, is that it saves you having to really think. At least, that's why I suspect I like them... ;-)Dr. Strangelovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407042105777411150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-76127741369416802242008-04-24T05:20:00.000-07:002008-04-24T05:20:00.000-07:00I love the way that Perfect Storm and yourchoice-g...I love the way that Perfect Storm and yourchoice-gate have come into the vernacular. It seems like I hear one of these terms in almost every other news story.Tony Grenneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08790466292723465347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-29563454101040951572008-04-23T18:48:00.000-07:002008-04-23T18:48:00.000-07:00Actually, I think the PA polling chart more reflec...Actually, I think the PA polling chart more reflects that polling began in earnest in late March. The flatness is a combination of the fact that PPP posted an unusual 26point lead for Clinton on 3/16 the very same week polls began to be released on a near-daily basis.The Law Talking Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17886791396468512490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-67544536765284699372008-04-23T18:02:00.000-07:002008-04-23T18:02:00.000-07:00Nevertheless, a flattening of support after preach...Nevertheless, a flattening of support after preachergate and bittergate could be the result of those events having an effect.<BR/><BR/>The effect might have been to dampen his otherwise upward movement. It is not neccessary to observe a decline in order for these events to have had an effect.Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-81593894943686467992008-04-23T13:51:00.000-07:002008-04-23T13:51:00.000-07:00The PA polling chart shows Obama gained support in...The PA polling chart shows Obama gained support in PA, but not steadily: there was a single dramatic upward lurch in his support in the last week in March.<BR/><BR/>The national polling data shows also that the post-Super-Tuesday steady state began to break for Obama around the last week in March.Dr. Strangelovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407042105777411150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-51128820278444530772008-04-23T12:35:00.000-07:002008-04-23T12:35:00.000-07:00Dr. S. Given the overall trend of steadily increa...Dr. S. Given the overall trend of steadily increasing support for Obama over time, stable numbers between Obama and Clinton might be due to Obama being off message.<BR/><BR/>His message of change change change and more change is a big winner this year and the fact that he hasn't been getting the same coverage on that message lately could have hurt him by preventing even greater gains than he might have otherwise gotten.Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-10177590478339319672008-04-23T12:33:00.000-07:002008-04-23T12:33:00.000-07:00Historybuff, I'm not saying that HRC expects to wi...Historybuff, I'm not saying that HRC expects to win in 2012 against McCain automatically but if Obama were the incumbent president, HRC would not even be able to run for the nomination - unless Obama were so wildly unpopular with his own party as to provoke such an internal challenge (ala Kennedy vs Carter in 1980).Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-83096134450083501212008-04-23T11:04:00.000-07:002008-04-23T11:04:00.000-07:00We should remember that Hillary and Obama both hit...We should remember that Hillary and Obama both hit turbulence over the past six weeks: Pastor-gate, Bosnia-gate, and Bitter-gate. RCP's nifty <A HREF="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html" REL="nofollow">chart </A> for PA polling history shows that Hillary's numbers jumped up when Pastor-gate hit, but she gave those short-lived gains right back to Obama when Bosnia-gate hit. And there was no visible effect on the polls from Bitter-gate at all.Dr. Strangelovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407042105777411150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-3044076620898487102008-04-23T04:48:00.000-07:002008-04-23T04:48:00.000-07:00yes, but what would happen if McCain got elected a...yes, but what would happen if McCain got elected and he exceeded expectations and was a great president?? I don't see how this strategy makes a lot of sense.Tony Grenneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08790466292723465347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-57794482591765831402008-04-23T03:59:00.000-07:002008-04-23T03:59:00.000-07:00I agree that Obama has been knocked off message. ...I agree that Obama has been knocked off message. The preacher problem and the "bitter" gaffe have combined to keep the press pool's attention away from what Obama is saying most of the time - change change change.<BR/><BR/>I don't know what Obama can do to get attention back on his message but that's why I'm not a campaign manager. <BR/><BR/>I'm increasingly coming to the point of view that Hillary really doesn't want a Democratic victory in November if she's not the nominee. I think really think that from her perspective, it would be far better for McCain to win than for Obama to win. If Obama wins in November, she would have to wait until 2016 to run again - by that time, the growing "boomer fatique" could well be insurmountable. But if McCain wins she would be the obvious nominee going into 2012.<BR/><BR/>Political scientists believe that all parties and politicians are motivated by a combination of office seeking, policy seeking, and vote seeking. These are all relatd and no one can completely ignore one in favor of the other two but strong biases in favor of one or the other are possible. I've long been convinced that Bill Clinton leans heavily away from the policy seeking emphasis in favor of vote and office seeking. Watching this primary season, and Hillary's short career in the Senate, has convinced me that she has a similar outlook.Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-12107209803587718652008-04-23T01:05:00.000-07:002008-04-23T01:05:00.000-07:00As a side note, most estimates of superdelegates n...As a side note, most estimates of superdelegates now put Obama and Clinton very close indeed, just 10 - 30 delegates separating them. This has been quietly tightening over the past few weeks. I suspect we will soon see the first estimates with more superdelegates supporting Obama than Clinton. That may be what sews up the race for Obama in the next couple of weeks.<BR/><BR/>For now, the Democratic Party remains flush with cash, continues to bask in media attention, and still enjoys unprecedented voter turnout in every contest. I continue to hope that the Democratic Party leadership will be able to bring the two candidates together somehow in June, avoiding a train wreck in Denver. I am still holding out hope for the "dream ticket." I think we call it that for a reason.Dr. Strangelovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407042105777411150noreply@blogger.com