tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post3752682611059688018..comments2024-01-03T05:23:36.046-08:00Comments on The Citizens: UnDemocratic?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-66168519406416091322008-01-20T08:02:00.000-08:002008-01-20T08:02:00.000-08:00In Nevada, Clinton won "delegate equivalent" tally...In Nevada, Clinton won "delegate equivalent" tally but Obama had more 'delegate' (=13) than Clinton(=12). <BR/>Can I get a tip on how this happened?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-1572638510718539202007-12-18T16:15:00.000-08:002007-12-18T16:15:00.000-08:00As I understand it from my neighbors in my small I...As I understand it from my neighbors in my small Iowa town, we go to our precinct polling station and the fun begins. <BR/><BR/>From the old hands tell me, supportors for each candidate go to a seperate room (our precinct is in a school) and we are counted. When a candidates supportors don't add up to the "viability" threshold, other candidates' supportors pounce on them and try to convince them throw their support to their candidate. There is a lot of wheeling and dealing going on both in the precincts and among the candidates themselves. People will end up moving from room to room and getting counted for different candidates in different rounds (I think).<BR/><BR/>In that kind of environment it could be next to impossible provide the kind of count the NYT is complaining is missing. I'll give you a full report of how it works in a couple of weeks.Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-73890429192274314602007-12-18T13:20:00.000-08:002007-12-18T13:20:00.000-08:00I think I miscommunicated. The delegate selections...I think I miscommunicated. The delegate selections are released. That's what matters. The problem with a tally of actual votes at either a preliminary or later stage is that votes are weighted by population - a caucus with 50 people or with 10 people can be weighted the same for delegate selection if they "represent" equally-sized areas.The Law Talking Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17886791396468512490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-61772817356031160612007-12-18T13:09:00.000-08:002007-12-18T13:09:00.000-08:00Are those the results reported that show which pla...<B>Are</B> those the results reported that show which place is which? (The editorial left a strong impression that no such tallies were released at all, not even the ones you mentioned.) But if it is <B>only</B> what you describe, I am content.Dr. Strangelovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407042105777411150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-14240483197667173122007-12-18T11:53:00.000-08:002007-12-18T11:53:00.000-08:00As I understand it, the Iowa Democratic caucuses h...As I understand it, the Iowa Democratic caucuses have a voting rule. If a candidate does not get at least 15% of the first-round vote in any given caucus location (there are some 1800 caucus locations), that candidate is declared "not viable" in that caucus room. Then those persons must find a second-choice among the larger vote-getters. The caucusing process is then about the persuasion of the disgruntled minorities to come to a compromise. <BR/><BR/> These results are the ones reported that show "first place" or "second place." So, yes, a person could come in 2d in the first-round vote but end up winning b/c he or she was a popular second-choice. That is how it is supposed to work. That person is the winner of the process, the REAL winnner. It's a valuable tool for consensus building and for probing electability. So far as I know, the data is not kept as to first-round voting. If it is kept, I am not sure why it must be released.<BR/><BR/>The purpose of the Democratic caucus, in fact, is to choose delegates in a collaborative process, not just a secret ballot.<BR/><BR/>The Republicans, by contrast, have a caucus that consists more or less of a secret ballot or a mini-primary.<BR/><BR/>I find it odd that failure to report these details of the process woudl strike anyone as undemocratic.The Law Talking Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17886791396468512490noreply@blogger.com