tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post2644559048236642804..comments2024-01-03T05:23:36.046-08:00Comments on The Citizens: My First Iowa CaucusUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-46953700368666151882008-01-07T13:43:00.000-08:002008-01-07T13:43:00.000-08:00Dr.S. writes "My heart still says 'Hillary'" This...Dr.S. writes "My heart still says 'Hillary'" This, Dr.S., is where you diverge from the bulk of the Democratic party electorate. Those who favor Hillary rarely seem to do so with their heart. Obama is the candidate of the heart. That is his problem, and why he is making such an effort to look serious now in his public appearances (limited smiling, etc.). <BR/><BR/>I am wary, of course. Machiavelli wrote that it is better for a prince to be feared than to be loved. Love is fickle, he wrote; fear lasts.The Law Talking Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17886791396468512490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-13935207289331814772008-01-06T11:30:00.000-08:002008-01-06T11:30:00.000-08:00LTG and RbR are correct that Hillary is believed t...LTG and RbR are correct that Hillary is believed to be far ahead in the "superdelegate" count. But the delegate discrepancy I mentioned above was for those delegates arising and bound to the caucus vote only.Dr. Strangelovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407042105777411150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-20881405635089424852008-01-06T06:44:00.000-08:002008-01-06T06:44:00.000-08:00Ah, the superdelegates. The old smoke filled room...Ah, the superdelegates. The old smoke filled room crowd. Of course. I've heard that Clinton is way ahead with them.Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-69492837401354461892008-01-06T06:31:00.000-08:002008-01-06T06:31:00.000-08:00HRC has pledged superdelegates from Iowa - that's ...HRC has pledged superdelegates from Iowa - that's the advantage.The Law Talking Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17886791396468512490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-74587817732693644922008-01-05T11:27:00.000-08:002008-01-05T11:27:00.000-08:00I should have been more clear. The delegates to t...I should have been more clear. The delegates to the county conventions were the percentage figures reported Thursday night. The national delegate <B>estimates</B> show the extra delegate for Hillary.<BR/><BR/>It is my understanding that the county delegates selected Thursday night meet in caucuses to choose delegates to the Iowa state convention, which then meet to choose the national delegates. I think these are all pretty much committed/pledged votes, so it is possible to calculate the result. I think some weighting factors in the county/state process give the extra delegate to Clinton. It may just be the same type of rounding that RbR describes, just at the county or state level.Dr. Strangelovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407042105777411150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-67976155746372026972008-01-05T07:26:00.000-08:002008-01-05T07:26:00.000-08:00Actually, on further reflection, I'm confused by D...Actually, on further reflection, I'm confused by Dr. S.'s description of the vote tally in Iowa. The vote tally was not actual votes but delegates so if Obama got 38% and Edwards got 30% and Clinton 29% then Edwards had to have gotten more delegates.Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-60694650113896979432008-01-04T15:14:00.000-08:002008-01-04T15:14:00.000-08:00Obama won the "get your people out" contest that u...Obama won the "get your people out" contest that usually wins in Iowa. If he can repeat that in New Hampshire he'll be off to the races.<BR/><BR/>My own precinct had a similar situation to what Dr. S describes state wide. Our precinct split 6 for Obama and 3 for Edwards and 3 for Clinton. But it could easily have gon 6, 4, 2 with Clinton getting 2. The reason it went the way it did was that Clinton's vote count was closer to getting 3 than Edward's was to getting 4. So they got the same number of delegates.Raised By Republicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461006522141969925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-48104797335129577832008-01-04T12:31:00.000-08:002008-01-04T12:31:00.000-08:00I am now officially on the fence, torn between Hil...I am now officially on the fence, torn between Hillary and Obama. Yesterday, Obama showed he can turn out and win the support of Independent voters in large numbers. My heart still says "Hillary" but I want the Democrats to win. If Obama is really more electable... And especially if the Democrats have to face McCain in November... Well, let's see what the rest of the January states have to say.Dr. Strangelovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407042105777411150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-48833659792954927692008-01-04T12:13:00.000-08:002008-01-04T12:13:00.000-08:00I also was surprised by the outcome. Although, I d...I also was surprised by the outcome. Although, I do recall saying that we should be careful when national media ordains a winner before a single vote has been taken. That is what they did with GWB and look what happened. No, I think we are going to see many surprises before this election season is up. <BR/><BR/>Since my man Biden is out, I may have to go back to voting seriously. Such a bummer. I was looking forward to having some fun at the polls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6762928.post-67176157765993072082008-01-04T08:49:00.001-08:002008-01-04T08:49:00.001-08:00Media outlets are reporting that, although Edwards...Media outlets are reporting that, although Edwards outpolled Hillary by about 0.4% in the local delegate count, the statewide distribution rules will give Hillary 1 more national delegate than Edwards. Can anyone confirm this?<BR/><BR/>Oh, and congratulations to RbR for correctly predicting Hillary would come in third. Color me "stunned." (Not by RbR's accuracy but by the result.)Dr. Strangelovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14407042105777411150noreply@blogger.com